Showing posts with label Palestine 2014. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Palestine 2014. Show all posts
Thursday, August 7, 2014
Claims Refuted from an IDF Supporter
Any historians or people with knowledge who can help out? A friend asked if a post from some Israel/IDF page or supporter was true. If you can comment on any of these, please help provide some insight. I can't say I'm an expert so I don't want to give incorrect information but I can already see that most of these come with a huge slant.
1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
Refuteed #1: Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
True, but Arab tribes have existed in the area since this time period and before. Philistines and the tribe of Moab are mentioned in the Old Testament, which also inhabited the same land, along with multiple other pre-Islamic Arab tribes, including the Ishmaelites. Philistine = Falasteen = Palestine.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
Refuted # 2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
False, the land was referred to as Palestine by the British and by the Ottomans. Even the Romans referred to the Levant, which includes today’s Israel, as the province of SyriaPalestina. As such, Palestinians are inhabitants of the land of Palestine, which has been the recognized name of the land for thousands of years by multiple empires.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
Refuted #3 Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
Of course there have been Jews in the area for millennia, as there have been Arabs and the pre-cursor Arab tribes mentioned above. Arab and Muslim cannot be used interchangeably - Arab is an ethnicity, Muslim is a follower of Islam. There are significant numbers of Palestinian Christians that have also been there since the time of Jesus for the last 2000+ years. And in pre-Christian and pre-Islamic times there were Palestinian and Arab pagan tribes inhabiting the area.
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.
Refuted #4 The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.
False, the first period of Arab rule lasted from 636 to 1099 and the second period was from 1187 to 1486. Total of about 660+ years of Arab rule. Then the Ottoman Turks ruled from 1516 to 1919, so another 400+ years – a total of over 1000 years of Muslim rule.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
Refuted #5 For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
This is ridiculous. The capital of the US is Washington DC, but New York City is arguably its most important city. Would anyone make the argument that NYC is not important because it’s not the capital?
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
Refuted: #6 Mosque of Al-aqsa is synonymous with Jerusalem and mentioned in the Qur'an.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
Refuted: #7 David is in the Qur'an and is considered a prophet that Muslims recognize. If you look at Islamic history, the events of Isra and Mir'aj, Prophet Muhammad did travel to Masjid al aqsa (see earlier post) Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.—Quran, Chapter 17 (Al-Isra) verse 1[2]
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
#8 Muslims prayed toward Jeuresleum until it was revealed that we could change toward Mecca.
9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution, and slaughter.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.
19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.
1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
Refuteed #1: Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.
True, but Arab tribes have existed in the area since this time period and before. Philistines and the tribe of Moab are mentioned in the Old Testament, which also inhabited the same land, along with multiple other pre-Islamic Arab tribes, including the Ishmaelites. Philistine = Falasteen = Palestine.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
Refuted # 2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
False, the land was referred to as Palestine by the British and by the Ottomans. Even the Romans referred to the Levant, which includes today’s Israel, as the province of SyriaPalestina. As such, Palestinians are inhabitants of the land of Palestine, which has been the recognized name of the land for thousands of years by multiple empires.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
Refuted #3 Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
Of course there have been Jews in the area for millennia, as there have been Arabs and the pre-cursor Arab tribes mentioned above. Arab and Muslim cannot be used interchangeably - Arab is an ethnicity, Muslim is a follower of Islam. There are significant numbers of Palestinian Christians that have also been there since the time of Jesus for the last 2000+ years. And in pre-Christian and pre-Islamic times there were Palestinian and Arab pagan tribes inhabiting the area.
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.
Refuted #4 The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.
False, the first period of Arab rule lasted from 636 to 1099 and the second period was from 1187 to 1486. Total of about 660+ years of Arab rule. Then the Ottoman Turks ruled from 1516 to 1919, so another 400+ years – a total of over 1000 years of Muslim rule.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
Refuted #5 For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
This is ridiculous. The capital of the US is Washington DC, but New York City is arguably its most important city. Would anyone make the argument that NYC is not important because it’s not the capital?
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
Refuted: #6 Mosque of Al-aqsa is synonymous with Jerusalem and mentioned in the Qur'an.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
Refuted: #7 David is in the Qur'an and is considered a prophet that Muslims recognize. If you look at Islamic history, the events of Isra and Mir'aj, Prophet Muhammad did travel to Masjid al aqsa (see earlier post) Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing.—Quran, Chapter 17 (Al-Isra) verse 1[2]
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
#8 Muslims prayed toward Jeuresleum until it was revealed that we could change toward Mecca.
9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution, and slaughter.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.
19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.
Conscience Effort to Differentiate
I want to make a conscience effort and be aware of my rhetoric because otherwise I will not be any different from those spewing hatred about Muslims and Islam based upon a few radicals. Judaism and Jews practicing Judasim are not and have not ever been the problem. They are a peace loving group just like the majority of Muslims and Christians who seek justice especially as it pertains to Palestine. The problem has been Zionism and its never ending quest for racism and causing a cultural and religious divide. Zionism hopes and works toward planting the seeds of hatred. This will no longer be tolerated. Everyone, including Americans, are starting to wake up to this and work toward justice.
White Chemical Gas Used by Israel on Gaza
"Multiple reports and witnesses have confirmed that almost half of Gaza city is now covered with white phosphorus gas." Anyone have more information on this white gas? #PalestinianGraveyard #EndZionistIsraelOccupation
Post by Mohammed Zeyara.
Israeli Sniper Shooting Civilian
This is a disturbing video. This is the truth of what is happening in Gaza right now. The Israeli military has no respect for life - not for children, the young, old, the pregnant - and in this video you see first hand that they don't even respect municipality workers, international human rights defenders, and a man trying to find his family among the aftermath of their destruction.
Sniper Shooting Civilian Looking for Family
Sniper Shooting Civilian Looking for Family
‘Telegenically Dead Palestinians’: Why Israel Is Losing the American Media War
If Netanyahu is so bothered by how dead Palestinians look on television then he should stop killing so many of them. But his complaint is in itself a concession. The story of the conflict between Israel and Palestine looks a little bit different this time around. Social media have helped allow us to see more deeply inside war zones — in this case, inside Gaza — and allowed viewers much fuller access to the terror that grips a population under military attack.
‘Telegenically Dead Palestinians’: Why Israel Is Losing the American Media War
‘Telegenically Dead Palestinians’: Why Israel Is Losing the American Media War
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